Cricket Australia has attempted to offer its counterparts at Cricket South Africa a small olive branch of peace following their cancellation of the Test tour to the country by offering to repay CSA’s “out of pocket expenses” for the costs incurred in setting up the tour.
Hi manners. Being Australian supporter I must the excuse given by CA not to tour SA has been dubious to say the least. And after reading all the lengths that CSA was willing to make to accommodate the Australian team makes CA canceling not coming all the more absurd. Furthermore, I mean did CA not consult with South African medicalteam? as the cases of covid has been coming down quite alot.
What's more concerning if this carries how are the other cricket nations going to survive?
All other sports are going on in a BSE trying to get on with things its a real shame that we have cricket which is a wonderful sport having its member nations pick and choose to tour.
It is extremely worrying and sad. Cricket Australia said it was worried about its players having to quarantine in SA and not being able to get back to Australia if any of them contracted the virus - is that not the same in any country? Like India...?
100%agree with you covid is worst in India and yet England are touring there for a full tour. England are not complaining about BSE in India
It'd really sad everyone in world cricket is getting on with things trying to give us the sport we love and we have Australia not touring. I wonder if India will pull out of an England tour if covid cases increase in the UK? Or will Australia travel to the UK if the make it to the final of WTC?
There is an innate bias and suspicion against the third world, especially Africa. Of course none of the 'big three' would ever pull out of a tour to one another...
Hi Neil. Changing the subject, as maybe I should, there was a comment on Cricinfo this morning after the toss in Chennai to the effect that it was game over such was the condition of the pitch. Some years ago there was a trial in England doing away with the toss and offering the choice to the visiting team. Do you know what transpired?
Hi Garrick - I think know that one. In 2016 the ECB did away with the need for a mandatory toss. The away side has the choice to field first in all cases. If the away side declines to field first, the toss still takes place. That works in the UK given the green tops and swinging conditions. For it to work in subcontinent condition, flip it around and offer the away side the chance to bat first. If the away side declines to bat, then the toss can take place.
As a Saffa living in the UK, unfortunately the results have been clear to see. The English Test side is doing very well. The rule change was ultimately to create better pitches and create more balance between bat and ball. Seems to have worked. The added bonus is the growth in English spinners. No longer can you rattle sides out with military medium on seaming snake pits - sides need a spinner to do some damage on day 4. They have the likes of Rashid, Leach, Bess and Ali all performing pretty well at Test level. Sadly, the best performing spinner in English Championship cricket over the last 4 years is a certain Simon Harmer. How we could have done with him in Pakistan.
Something has to be done at international level. India would have won on that snake pit in Chennai even if England had batted first simply because their spinners are better and their batsmen are better equipped for that type of wicket. One hears that the likes of Harmer will be available for SA because of the end of Kolpak. Whether they will be selected is another matter.
Garrick - was it really a snake-pit? Honestly? If it was then Kohli and Ashwin provided glorious evidence that snakes can be charmed... Simon Harmer is, indeed, available for SA again. As are, theoretically, all the Kolpak players. But, like Dane Vilas, Kyle Abbott, Duanne Olivier and David Wiese, he has signed a contract as an overseas player so that takes him out of the international equation for over half the year. Not that I beleive any of them would have been selected anyway. Ever.
My point exactly about India winning whether they batted first or not. The wicket, however, favoured one side much more than the other which is surely not what "Test" cricket is all about. With regard to the Kolpak players they have all been selected in the past and there is every reason to believe that at least some of them would be in the future. If not we must have a surplus of talent which is not currently abundantly apparent.
CA trying to save some face. What a load of cr.p. I know where I would tell to stick their offer of pre tour “out of pocket expenses”. Never before have I heard such drivel. Who the hell do they think they are?
Probably effective work by CA's PR and legal people, you'd have to say. Proactively get ahead of the issue, making sure the statement passes muster at the ICC and that they don't acknowledge any fault, all while nipping a claim for compensation in the bud.
True, Neil :) CA knows the lie of the land. The (apparent) disingenuousness of it doesn't matter I suppose, as the ICC is never going to call them to account for abusing their power
Probably won’t win a popularity contest for my views-I think that Australia,with their excellent Covid control record,were really uncomfortable about the risks in SA despite the lengths CSA went to to reassure them. My own family in Sydney are in a constant panic about my safety because of our high infection and death rates and poor media coverage . The England tour was a shambles (not sure whose fault) and this would also have scared them. Having said that they were not honest and up front with us and we were treated with total disrespect. To make matters worse they see CSA as a shambles. But we deserved the truth up front.
David, I never intended to set up a website 'platform' - not really sure how it happened, but I'm happy it's here now. My point being: it's not a popularity contest! Anyway, you make perfect sense. Apart from the statement that the England tour was a 'shambles'. I strongly disagree with that. England wanted to stay in The Vineyard hotel and play golf. They over-reacted when two hotel staff contracted the virus. But they were insufficiently worried to return early. They stayed in the hotel for the scheduled duration of the tour, they just didn't play cricket.
Hi manners. Being Australian supporter I must the excuse given by CA not to tour SA has been dubious to say the least. And after reading all the lengths that CSA was willing to make to accommodate the Australian team makes CA canceling not coming all the more absurd. Furthermore, I mean did CA not consult with South African medicalteam? as the cases of covid has been coming down quite alot.
What's more concerning if this carries how are the other cricket nations going to survive?
All other sports are going on in a BSE trying to get on with things its a real shame that we have cricket which is a wonderful sport having its member nations pick and choose to tour.
It is extremely worrying and sad. Cricket Australia said it was worried about its players having to quarantine in SA and not being able to get back to Australia if any of them contracted the virus - is that not the same in any country? Like India...?
100%agree with you covid is worst in India and yet England are touring there for a full tour. England are not complaining about BSE in India
It'd really sad everyone in world cricket is getting on with things trying to give us the sport we love and we have Australia not touring. I wonder if India will pull out of an England tour if covid cases increase in the UK? Or will Australia travel to the UK if the make it to the final of WTC?
There is an innate bias and suspicion against the third world, especially Africa. Of course none of the 'big three' would ever pull out of a tour to one another...
Message from South African cricket supporters to Cricket Australia: Jou ma se ####. (If you don't understand, Marnus can fill you in)
Now, now, Steven - I understand your frustration... :)
Hi Neil. Changing the subject, as maybe I should, there was a comment on Cricinfo this morning after the toss in Chennai to the effect that it was game over such was the condition of the pitch. Some years ago there was a trial in England doing away with the toss and offering the choice to the visiting team. Do you know what transpired?
Cheers. Keep up the good work.
Hi Garrick - I think know that one. In 2016 the ECB did away with the need for a mandatory toss. The away side has the choice to field first in all cases. If the away side declines to field first, the toss still takes place. That works in the UK given the green tops and swinging conditions. For it to work in subcontinent condition, flip it around and offer the away side the chance to bat first. If the away side declines to bat, then the toss can take place.
How has that worked in England. Was it a success.
As a Saffa living in the UK, unfortunately the results have been clear to see. The English Test side is doing very well. The rule change was ultimately to create better pitches and create more balance between bat and ball. Seems to have worked. The added bonus is the growth in English spinners. No longer can you rattle sides out with military medium on seaming snake pits - sides need a spinner to do some damage on day 4. They have the likes of Rashid, Leach, Bess and Ali all performing pretty well at Test level. Sadly, the best performing spinner in English Championship cricket over the last 4 years is a certain Simon Harmer. How we could have done with him in Pakistan.
Something has to be done at international level. India would have won on that snake pit in Chennai even if England had batted first simply because their spinners are better and their batsmen are better equipped for that type of wicket. One hears that the likes of Harmer will be available for SA because of the end of Kolpak. Whether they will be selected is another matter.
Garrick - was it really a snake-pit? Honestly? If it was then Kohli and Ashwin provided glorious evidence that snakes can be charmed... Simon Harmer is, indeed, available for SA again. As are, theoretically, all the Kolpak players. But, like Dane Vilas, Kyle Abbott, Duanne Olivier and David Wiese, he has signed a contract as an overseas player so that takes him out of the international equation for over half the year. Not that I beleive any of them would have been selected anyway. Ever.
My point exactly about India winning whether they batted first or not. The wicket, however, favoured one side much more than the other which is surely not what "Test" cricket is all about. With regard to the Kolpak players they have all been selected in the past and there is every reason to believe that at least some of them would be in the future. If not we must have a surplus of talent which is not currently abundantly apparent.
CA trying to save some face. What a load of cr.p. I know where I would tell to stick their offer of pre tour “out of pocket expenses”. Never before have I heard such drivel. Who the hell do they think they are?
I believe it is quite clear who they think they are, Mark. And who they think we are.
Probably effective work by CA's PR and legal people, you'd have to say. Proactively get ahead of the issue, making sure the statement passes muster at the ICC and that they don't acknowledge any fault, all while nipping a claim for compensation in the bud.
Hi Miles, they've paid for some top, legal and PR advice, then? So how come it's so easy for you and many others to see straight throught it? haha...
True, Neil :) CA knows the lie of the land. The (apparent) disingenuousness of it doesn't matter I suppose, as the ICC is never going to call them to account for abusing their power
Probably won’t win a popularity contest for my views-I think that Australia,with their excellent Covid control record,were really uncomfortable about the risks in SA despite the lengths CSA went to to reassure them. My own family in Sydney are in a constant panic about my safety because of our high infection and death rates and poor media coverage . The England tour was a shambles (not sure whose fault) and this would also have scared them. Having said that they were not honest and up front with us and we were treated with total disrespect. To make matters worse they see CSA as a shambles. But we deserved the truth up front.
David, I never intended to set up a website 'platform' - not really sure how it happened, but I'm happy it's here now. My point being: it's not a popularity contest! Anyway, you make perfect sense. Apart from the statement that the England tour was a 'shambles'. I strongly disagree with that. England wanted to stay in The Vineyard hotel and play golf. They over-reacted when two hotel staff contracted the virus. But they were insufficiently worried to return early. They stayed in the hotel for the scheduled duration of the tour, they just didn't play cricket.